Here is another nasty deal from DealFind for Android Tablets. They don’t know the make of the product, remove valuable comments absolutely ignoring their customers and caring only about their own profit as they did with some past deals which turned to be a scam. Even with DealFind discount, the total price is about the same or even higher than other retailers offer.
The deal was:
$85 for a 7inch Google Android 2.2 Tablet Including Shipping from Fabuless Products ($399 Value)
By the end of Dec 26 over 3,500 customers purchased this “fantastic” deal. Screenshot from http://www.dealfind.com/toronto/fabulesscan/
Basically DealFind and Fabuless Products claim that the regular price for this 7inch Google Android 2.2 Tablet is $399 and they give 79% discount selling it for $85. Seems too good to be true, right? Let’s take a look…
It’s a piece of electronic, so there are two possible reasons for such a big discount:
- The product is fake OR (maybe even AND)
- The price is incredibly inflated
Let’s skip the first assumption, however we know that DealFind already sold thousands of fake memory cards, and check the second assumption.
Here is a link with product description provided on the deal page:
http://fabulessproducts.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=57&product_id=41
The price is indeed $399 there:
The product description page does not specify manufacturer and model number for some reason, so it’s hard to compare prices with other retailers. Some customers also asked these questions on DealFind discussion board, but unfortunately representatives do not know what they sell:
They just provided model number of processor used in the Tablet PC, but not the actual manufacturer:
This model is the Wondermedia 8650
People then started to search for reviews and found very useful link with problems and tips related to these tablets “WM 8650 Tablet and few Problems“:
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/wondermedia-based/20327-wm-8650-tablet-few-problems.html
But DealFind thought that it will turn customers away and just removed the comments:
Above two comments are removed now from DealFind discussion board. Actually it is known that they remove any comment which may negatively affect sales totally ignoring customers. Why anyone should use DealFind after that at all?!
Let’s try to figure out what the make of the Tablet PC is.
This is another screenshot from http://fabulessproducts.com:
The same pictures appear on another website CoolDroids.com
http://www.cooldroids.com/7-android-2-2-tablet-pc-wi-fi-4gb-512mb-ram-800mhz-flash-10-1/
Most likely Fabuless Products and Cool Droids are related to each other somehow.
From the picture on CoolDroids.com we see that the make of this Tablet PC is Eken, and now it’s much easier to compare prices.
The very similar one (if not the same) I could find was:
EKEN M009S 7″ epad android 2.2 VIA8650 800MHz wifi 3G Camera tablet pc
for $60 here:
http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/104710/211059827-500713361/EKEN-M009S-7-epad-android-2-2-VIA8650-800MHz-wifi-3G-Camera-tablet-pc.html
(click on image to enlarge)
The price for single unit is US $60. Including UPS Expedited Shipping it is US $78.91.
That is the real market price is $80.50 CAD. But DealFind sells it for $85 claiming the real value of $399!
So, basically Fabuless Products and DealFind inflated the price at least in five times!
Everyone can purchase the same Tablets at aliexpress.com and receive it much faster without waiting for another couple weeks in order to redeem coupons at fabulessproducts.com and 21 day for delivery as they inform in their terms and conditions. (Note: I’m not encouraging anyone to do so. Aliexpress is provided only for informational purposes here). There is also some buyers protection available…
What we have:
DealFind and Fabuless Products sell Tablet PC’s at a bit higher price than the market price is with the help of false/deceptive advertisement of 79% discount. We also know that about 50% go to DealFind and 50% go to the merchant. Shipping cost money also. It means that Fabuless Products should buy these tablets for maximum of $30 from somewhere…
Neither Fabuless Products nor Cool Droids show back of the Tablet PC which has the brand name on it. DealFind do not tell the manufacturer’s name. So probably they are not even genuine Eken Android Tablets…
Beware!
Just found another retailer selling it for $59.99 USD with Free Shipping…
http://www.stopfinger.com/goods_aWQJNDgyNQ==.html
Initially DealFind was offering leather carrying case, earphones and free shipping:
(click on image to enlarge)
After deal ended they withdrawn these valuable conditions…
Fabuless Products Owner?
People in the comments section mentioned that extra charges for shipping/handling/taxes went to Andrew Ferreira through PayPal. First of all thanks for this information.
Let’s take a closer look at WhoIs information for FabulessProducts.com website. It is available for public here:
http://www.whois.net/whois/fabulessproducts.com
Domain Name: FABULESSPRODUCTS.COM
Last Updated on: 25-NOV-11
Administrative, Technical Contact:
Ferreira, Andrew andrewatella@gmail.com
Fabulessproducts
88 Bloor Street East
suite 2312
Toronto, ON m4w3g9
CA
416-825-6127
Andrew Ferreira is the name which customers reported on their PayPal invoices. But the e-mail address contains “andrewatella“.
Phone number 416-825-6127 which belongs to Andrew Ferreira according to the above WhoIs information also belongs to Andrew Atella:
screenshot from http://www.inhouseaffairs.com/contact-us.html
It let me think that Andrew Ferreira and Andrew Atella is the same person who registered fabulessproducts.com and now accepting payments via PayPal from customers who purchased Android Tablets from DealFind.
Here is some information about Andrew Atella which is publicly available in the Internet. If anyone has problems reaching Fabuless Products via 1-888-702-6632 phone number provided by DealFind or contact form/e-mail on their website, maybe it’s worth to try alternative methods.
- Owner/Co-Founder of InHouse Affairs as stated in his LinkedIn profile: http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-atella/31/6a5/7a2
- Facebook pages of Andrew Atella:
http://www.facebook.com/andrew.atella
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Andrew-Atella/245152895038
(if you are Andrew Atella and has absolutely nothing to do with Fabuless Products, please let us know, we will make a correction)
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Class action suit against Dealfind and Fabuless
Thanks Everyone who provided feedback and valuable information!
Trueler.com got a response from person who suffered from this scam and also had to pay extra trying to ship Tablets back, but still can’t get refunds.
If anyone has problems with full refunds (including for shipping back if it was requested by DealFind/Fabuless), please send me a note via http://trueler.com/contact-us/ or speak up in comments indicating that you wish to participate in class action suit against Dealfind and Fabuless. I will forward you contact information of that person.
Update: Unfortunately lawyers were not interested in this, and unfortunately there is no class action law suite started…
Never got ours yet either and left it for the benefit of the doubt until today. Seemed like a long time to ship.
Emailed CBC for them to take a look at the docs and see if it makes a story.
No sense in others loosing money as well.
Has anyone received any money back yet?
yeah. but when you click links such as contact us, it shows pages not found. the other links too.
The website is still there.
Looks like fabulessproducts.com website is no longer in existence. Or it’s server has crashed. I’m thinking they packed up and bolted with the bag of cash :)
Has anyone else noticed that the Fabuless website is no longer up?
Man am I ever glad i got a refund for this thing! I had ordered the Dec26 deal and a couple weeks ago requested my refund, which was granted. I went out and bought a Blackberry playbook for 200$ and dont regret my decision what so ever!
Even though I filed a dispute with American Express, I email and call Dealfraud everyday. They are dragging their butts and you just need to stay persistant. I have been told I will get a refund after I give them the last 4 digits of my credit card. Did that several days ago, but continued to email and call now today I got an email saying I will have it in 5 days. So we shall see. I still won;t stop calling until I have my credit. Deaulfind really is “shady” and I hope everyone will be as persistant as I have and will contine to be. I really hope we ALL get every cent back that these companies took from us!!!
Hi Jo-Anne. I wonder how did you get the money back from pay pal? Thanks in advance if you could help me out.
I too am in the process of dealing with Dealfind. After DAILY emails from myself and forwarding emails from Pay Pal and Fabuless, they agreed to refund me for both of the Tablets purchased in the Dec.26 ad. I still haven’t received my refund but they say I have one coming for one voucher but not the other. I am still continually emailing them asking why not the other which has remainedl on their website. Proven by forwarded emails from both Pay Pal and Fabuless that the Tablets were never even sent. So what! do they think that I should be happy that I got my money back for one? Pay Pal refunded both orders. It is Dealfind who is dragging their butts now. They want to blame Fabuless for all these issues, but in my mind they share equal responsibility for the scam. By not being prompt in making it right to their customers, they admit their quilt.
Hello everyone,
Like everyone else I got scammed. I just received the Fake low quality tablet after I called Deal find for a refund. After reading all the complaints over here I asked for a refund the Lady told me that she will refund me for the service the next thing I know is that the tablet was shipped and I get the confirmation to my e-mail. I just got the tablet today and its in a very bad condition I press on it and it doesn’t work.
Kindly let me know what you did to dispute it “Deal Find” Is a big scam.
I wanted to check with another service that I bought through them last October for a cleaning service and I never got the chance to use it . It was an offer that had no expiration date to use the service. I called the cleaning service office to book an appointment the lady asked me from where did I purchase my deal from as soon as I told her DealFind she told me they don’t take coupons from them any longer and to call Dealfind for a refund, apparently Deal find never paid the agency for any of the service they provided customers.
Whoever started this group lets file a big dispute and go the media! More than 7000 have been scammed!
and for now advice me on what to say or do to get my money back!
Thanks
I ordered on Dec 26th and haven’t received tablets yet. After reading you guys reply I decided to cancel my order from Dealfind. So I wrote an email to them two days ago. This morning I received a reply from them and they just gave me a track number from post Canada. I went to the website, type my track number, and check my track history. It shows the expected date would be Feb 6th! I mean WTF is that ? Dealfind just gave me a useless track number for what ? By any chance can anyone plz tell me how to get refund from Paypal? Thank you all.
@ Sarah,
Dealfind’s ONLY standard is to make $$$$. Take the tablet to Dealfind’s head office and march upstairs and raise some hell. I bet they won’t refuse to refund you then. Stand up and make noise people. No one is going to feel sorry for you or protect you in this situation – you are on your own!
I also ordered this tablet from Dealfind, and submitted my online voucher for it January 6, didn’t get it until the 31st. Whatevs.
I disagree with people who are saying ‘what did you expect, it’s a cheap tablet’. We were told this tablet is originally sold for $399, and is being offered at an incredible discount. I (apparently wrongfully) assumed that something that normally would have been $400 would work well, or at least do the basics, but this tablet doesn’t even do the basics! I have an issue similar to what others have reported, where it won’t pick up a wireless signal unless I am within 2 or 3 meters maximum from the router; the signal is exceptionally weak or non-existent otherwise. I know it’s the tablet because I have no issues with other wireless devices in my home (laptop, cell phone), and I have tried it in three different homes with wireless internet – mine, my parent’s, my sister’s – all the same thing. The screen response to touch is also pathetic; I immediately regretted the purchase. The feel of the tablet is like something I might get from a child’s toy store. $400??? I wouldn’t pay $20 and I wish I could get my money back.
I called and emailed Dealfind, both times I was referred to the ‘returns’ section of the Fabuless website. I emailed Fabuless, no response for a week; so I emailed them again, and got a response to both my emails on the same day, three days later. Turns out, all Fabuless did was tell me:
a) “due to the sensitive nature of the tablets, they are final sale – please see the original deal that states ‘no cash back or credit'”.
b) “If it is defective, you can send it to us, and if it is a manufacturer defect, we will replace it. If it turns out there is nothing wrong, then I will be billed to have it shipped back to me.”
From the sounds of it, I need to pay to send it in order to get it ‘fixed’! Unbelievable. And might I also have to pay to have it shipped back to me, in case the crappy wireless isn’t a manufacturer defect, but rather just a symptom of this model?
c) They then ‘apologized for the inconvenience’, which I hate when businesses do that. Don’t APOLOGIZE for the inconvenience and then leave it at that; DO something about inconveniencing me! THEY should pay for me to ship it, get it either fixed or replaced, and you pay to ship it back to me. I paid a specified price for a functioning product; you didn’t deliver. Don’t you stand behind the quality of the products you sell? Admit it Fabuless, you personally wouldn’t want to have to pay for a product that turns out isn’t functioning, then pay to have to ship it to get it fixed/replaced when you have already caused me to be without a functioning tablet!
I have purchased many other deals from Dealfind and have never been so disappointed and frustrated. I know that Dealfind says they work hard to make sure that they deal with reputable businesses, but their standards can’t be that high if someone like this was able to sell me crap.
Thank God for this website! I ordered the deal in January, but became nervous after reading the Q&A section which directed me to this site. I cancelled and requested a refund 2 days before we could redeem. After several emails and 2 phone calls, I finally received an email saying that my credit card will be refunded in 5-10 days. I hope for their sake it will be the case. Good luck to all!
I ordered this tablet on Dec 26 as well and it finally showed up a few days ago. It is a piece of junk! There is no screen response whatsoever. It turns on but that is all if will do.My in laws also purchased 3 of these tablets and we are all sending them back. Hopefully we will all be refunded.
I just requested a refund from both DealFind and Paypal. Dealfind requested a written request while Paypal was able to initiate the process over the phone. We shall see what happens…..
Thanks Tuffkat for update… I hope it’s just a big mess on their side, and they will issue a refund for you.
Trueler
the saga continues…
Here is what Avital at Dealfind wrote me on Monday:
> Hello Peter,
>
> I got in touch with the merchant and they have informed me your orders have been cancelled because you made a dispute with PayPal. Please let me know if you have done this and I can refund this purchase for you.
So I correct, and directed him to refund my CC.
Then the following day I got another email form Avital at Dealfind.
We understand that you have placed an order for voucher # xxxx-xxxx & #xxxx-xxxx and no longer wish to receive the product.
Please allow us 48hrs to contact the merchant so we may cancel your order. Once this order has been voided we can proceed with your refund request.
Excuse me?
So they, the merchant aka Fabuless, cancelled my order and TOLD DEALFIND they cancelled it (I know this because DEALFIND told me they told them), and then DEALFIND tells me you have to contact FABULESS to what? Cancel the order, AND THEN, AND THIS IS WHAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF…after DEALFIND contacts FABULESS to cancel the order (THAT WAS ALREADY CANCELLED!!…I GET A TRACKING NUMBER FROM CANADA POST FOR MY PACKGAGE!! (and yes, I’m yelling!)
DEALFIND as a company has no interest in helping their clients but rather only in ensuring they bilk cash out of them.
So I told them:
“As someone who works in media, I can ensure that my interest in your company from now on, will be to inform everyone I can of the ethics of Dealfind, and their very peculiar sense of customer care.”
Any feedback is welcome…
everyone will get their tabelts it takes an extra 15-21 days after the already 15-21
@CJ
My internet network does pop up but once I put the password in it still will not connect to the internet even when I am right beside my router.
I have also plugged the internet cord right into the tablet and will not work
Yeah I too am one of the fools who ordered one of these… Here it is feb 14th still no tablet. I really don’t think I am ever going to get mine! I got an email about a month ago from Chelsea that said I was “one of the lucky ones” who got my order in early and it would be 15 business days at the most. I have sent 4 angry emails since jan 27th when I was supposed to get it and no reply. What a bunch of scam artists.
I haven’t even received my tablet. What a scam.
I received this tablet from this company, but the touchscreen barely works. The screen quality is shockingly poor. Even at 80$, this product is a rip off. You will be unhappy purchasing this product. company also says they have a no return policy. I wonder why…. lol!
Biggest scamming company I have seen in a while.
Tim
I have tried to contact Fabuless Products all day and I NEVER get a hold of anyone. It always sends me to leave a message. This will be the second time I have ordered something from Deal Find and have not been satisfied. The first time, the company moved and I had to fight to get reimbursed. I think a lot of companies use Deal Find in a last bid to get customers. I too remember ordering this deal on December 26th and it clearly stating that we would get a leather case. It did not arrive. My tablet won’t pick up Wi-fi, won’t charge correctly, and doesn’t always turn on. What a scam! I have filed a complaint with Deal Find – hopefully I will receive a refund!!!
I too went to fabufraud’s website to see if there was a working tracking number and it now says I have never purchased anything from them! This better mean a refund is on it’s way! I’m so done with dealfind for the way they are or should I say “aren’t” handling this!
Um….if you guys live in Toronto, why don’t you just DRIVE to the DEALFIND head office and storm upstairs and demand a refund? Raise enough hell and there’s no way they’ll be sending you away.
Received my credit card credit on Feb 10 (just noticed now). Fabuless has until Feb 16 to respond to my Paypal request. Finally putting this ordeal behind me!
Good luck to all others looking for a refund! As mentioned before ask for AMY if you’re not getting anywhere with Dealfind. She got things moving for me!
So this morning I found out that Paypal decided the dispute in my favor, and they will return the $11.68 (X2) to me. Subsequently, after yelling at Dealfind in social media (facebook and Twitter) they have offered to refund the purchase price also (x2), knowing that Fabufraud never shipped my tablets. I have directed them to refund my credit card. Hopefully this will turn out to be true!
If the refunds go out, perhaps I’ll go to a store and buy one of the $199 Playbooks.
Let you know how things workout!
I ordered a tablet on Dec 31. Still have not received it and have not had response from 3 phonecalls made to customer service at Fabuless (customer service is not available). This is also the second time I have been less than happy with Dealfind – will not order from them again – EVER
When it’s too good to be true, it is. I purchased four androids Dec 26 and received one the beginning of Feb. It’s a piece of junk. Sound doesn’t work, wifi doesn’t work unless your in the same room as the router ,and many other issues. Requested a return from Fabuless on Feb 4 and haven’t got a response. Also requested a refund from dealfind for the three tablets that I didn’t receive. They said that they would honor that. We will see.
So, ordered nothing recieved… excess of 30 days…. contacted credit card company to stop/reverse payment through fraud investigation/claims.
Also contacted BBB to lodge formal complaint:
https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started
I urge everyone else to do the same.
OMG!! I too wish I viewed this site before I ordered the tablet. I ordered mine on December 26/11, and today is Feb. 13/12. I called DealFind last week and was told by the customer service rep. that I must have missed the email that told me I had to order directly from Fabuless and that they didn’t have a tracking number, so I needed to follow up with Fabuless. No response to my e-mail. So after I read all the comments here, I called DealFind back and was told that since I ordered the tablet on Dec. 26, the order had not gone through and I could get a refund from DealFind by going on their site. So I have requested my refund. So we will see…..
@Kelly
Go to wifi settings, find your wifi nickname in the list, click on it, and enter your password. Did you already do that? Or did you not see your name in the list? Or will it just not connect after entering your password and trying the browser?
Thoroughly disappointed with this product as well. Will be calling dealfind to get a refund. It feels like a dollar store item.
Well a few days ago, I got the refund back on my credit card for the 85$ tablet deal from Dec26th! At first dealfind tried to offer dealfind dollars plus 10% however after replying asking for my credit card to be refunded, they did it no problems! Now I just gotta try for the 11$ bucks from paypal!
@ Tammy
“What a waste of my time, never ever with I purchase something from dealfind.”
Unfortunately Dealfind is just one of many dozens of similar online “deal” sites. With few exceptions, they are all either selling junk products or services which are nowhere remotely close in value to the amounts the deals are claimed to be worth.
My advice to anyone would be to simply avoid all such sites, and deal only with well-known reputable sites where you know you are going to get product exactly as claimed, and where you can take back or return an item without hassle should there be a problem. Sure the Internet is a virtual marketplace of so-called deals, but with very few exceptions, you will never see more in value than what you actually pay for…if you are lucky enough to get even that.
Personally I place all these “deal” sites in the exact same category as the many so-called auction sites where suckers, oops I means customers, have to pay each time for the mere opportunity of bidding on an item. The wise will avoid them all!
@CJ
You didn’t have any trouble at all connecting the internet to your tablet? Do you have wirless in your house?
Mine will not connect what so ever! it’s very frustrating
The volume level is so low on the tablet that I can’t play music on it and there is no point in taking videos because you can’t here them.
Order one on Dec 29th from Dealfind for $85 for a 7inch Google Android 2.2 Tablet Including Shipping from Fabuless Products ($399 Value)and then ordered another thinking it was a good deal before the first one arrived yesterday. This is a piece of junk, doesn’t even work. I contacted Dealfind and was told that I had to submit a online request for them to get in touch with me and that I also lad to contact fab pro and return the item for a refund and provide them with a tracking number, this will cost me to have this item shipped back, I also have to send a request to dealfind for the other one to be cancelled before it is shipped and if its shipped to me in the meantime I have to then return it for a refund. What a waste of my time, never ever with I purchase something from dealfind. Lets hope I get a refund for both without having to do much more, this is just crazy….
My thoughts would be if you already have a refund and they don’t pay for the return shipment, don’t worry about it. Why should it cost you for their mistake?
I talked to someone that had the same kind of deal through Teambuy and they got their refund (after battling for it) and were told to keep the tablet (shows how cheap they are).
So if Fabuless won’t cover the return shipment let it sit on you counter or better yet basement. If you have correspondence hang on to it. Send them a few emails (so you have something in hardcopy) stating you received it in error (their part) how would they like it shipped at their cost. Shows that you did your part.
As for me, my idiotic tablet showed up yesterday. I have been tinkering with it, and while I have no problem connecting to wifi, the keyboard with the Chinese was really pissing me off… Oh, and my micro sd card also somehow fell inside of the unit; you have to push it in iuntil it clicks but I think the slot was defective and at first it wouldn’t detect it. After a few tries it just went in too far and sort of fell in! I don’t know if that means I won’t be able to increase the storage now, or if I can just use another sd card and leave that other one rattling around inside…
On a happier note, you can use your laptop or desktop to access the proper android market (not the phony one that comes pre-installed), to dl apps, and provided your tablet is connected to your wifi and you synced it to your google id, it will automatically detect your device and send and install them for you in about 40 seconds. So far I put on avg antivirus for android, a few games, and a better keyboard app, all free.
I will chalk this up to a learning experience and not cheap out on electronic gadgets in the future and I will also not buy them from anywhere but main stream stores like Future Shop, Best Buy, Walmart, etc…
@Amanda
Call your credit card company, tell them that you ordered something from a shady site that has been difficult to deal with and that you want a new card issued. They will cancel your current one and you will get your new card in the mail within about a week. That way, Dealfind can not put any further charges on your credit card. That was an option my credit card gave me when I was looking into disputing Dealfind’s charges since I was getting no response to my refund request. You might as well keep the tablet. Fabuless is fraudulent, disorganized, and disrespectful to customers. The error was not yours.
i got a refund for this tablet a while ago…to my surprise a package showed up from fabuless. i called them and told them to come take it. so im wondering, 1-how can i return this without paying for it?(i havent opened it yet), 2-how long before i can dispose of it legally?…i just dont want to get a 85$ charge on my credit card for this paper weight. thanks
I just received my 2 google android. Problem is it’s not a google brand nor is it a brand. It’s a cheap made in china fake imitation device that works like s^**%. I want to get a full refund and thinking of escalation a claim with visa? I’ve already contacted paypal for my tax refund. Any advice on getting my $ back even though the product has been shipped??? I will not let dealfind cheat and take advantage of it’s customers!! Any advice??
Alright so, I just recieved my Google Tablet today 26 days later after I purchased it. I like everything except that it will not connect to the wireless internet that I have in my house which is really upsetting. I don’t know what to do becuase I just need the internet to connect and then it would be fine but it doesn’t seem to want too. I might try and find a tech guy to help me but if it wont connect im going to have to try and return it
I got a 2nd email today stating 5-10 business days for my refund to show up on my statement. Not sure why I’d get a 2nd notification AND it’s from someone other than AMY who said she “took on my case from here on”. Makes me nervous to see duplication word for word emails in a 12 hour span of time. I’ll watch my statement and will let you know if I get the credit.
I went after my $11 from fabuless via paypal, but I have not heard from them since I filed on Monday.
I have been trying to get my tablet with little success. What boggles the mind is how a business can simple ignore customer complaints. No wonder they continue to offer the deals. According to “Group Buying in Canada”, DealFind made $375,000 on tablet sales. Other sites: WagJag $229K, TeamBuy $209K. DealFind should simply send out a mass email to all of it’s customers. A simple “I’m sorry we stole your money” can go a long way…
I also filled a claim with BBB as I never received my product the tablet purchased on December 26, 2011 from Dealfind. I contacted Fabuless 3-4 times and Dealfind 6 or more.
They promised me a refund but I haven’t received anything yet. Nobody has contacted me either.
People should beware of DEALFIND !!!
So, as in my previous note, I got a shipping number…….that has not been updated for over 24 hours! I think it was just a shipping label printed and no item actually shipped. Otherwise as soon as it reached a Post Office the tracking information would be updated.
Called, left messages and e-mailed Dealfind numerous times. Not getting any responses from them now! Filed a claim with the BBB, hopefully they can get some sort of response because I can’t!
I’ll most definatley participate is a class action suit!
Update: just received my refund after fighting with dealfind and fabu-crap for about 3weeks. def. not worth the work.