The Butchers “Organic and Naturally raised meats shop” has sold over 15,000 coupons in Toronto for approximately $175 each worth of meat at the cost of $55. It is over $2.6 million dollars worth of meat. If we take an average price of the most selling meats by The Butchers as $30 per kilogram (chicken, ground beef, etc…), we get about 90 tons of “organic and naturally raised” meat. For a really small shop! Everyone can speculate about these numbers and conclude that it is not possible to meet this huge demand without dramatic decrease in quality of meats and service.
The Butchers shop has been featured by Webpiggy, Dealgetters, DealFind, Dealticker, TeamSave, BuyTopia daily deals websites (did I miss anyone?). There were a lot of complaints on service, products and prices at The Butchers after the major offer on DealFind. It turns to be a scam at some discussion forums. They simply can not handle all the customers. They significantly reduced working hours, assortment, quality, etc. The only thing they should care about now is to service all customers with already purchased coupons because The Butchers has real problems with it (actually vice versa – many customers have problems with The Butchers). But! What do they do instead?
They are offering another deal on WebPiggy again:
$100 for $400 worth of organic and naturally raised meat from The Butchers, inclusive of a $50 credit to the opening of Marlin’s Fish Shop. Don’t miss The Butchers 10th Anniversary, Deal of the Century!
It is running through the weekend (April 8 – 10) and 1600 already bought the deal. I think they just need more cash to purchase more meat from some cheap place. I don’t see another explanation.
Well.. There were only speculations before in this post.
Now Trueler provides real proofs of how “Organic and Naturally raised” the meat from The Butchers is and what it actually worth.
Most of the products purchased with one of the coupons at The Butchers in the beginning of April 2011 were of bad quality. I have prepared and described facts about sausages bought at The Butchers. They definitely do not worth $10.99/pound (or $24.40/kg). Probably $1.99/pound is a fair price for them (I’m not sure what is the exact percentage of starch and carrageenan they have added to the sausages).
Let’s see what “Organic and Naturally raised” sausages from The Butchers represent.
After thawing of frosted sausages there were about 50ml of water in the plastic bag per 1 lb of meat. It is over 10%. Here is a picture:
The consistence of sausages were very suspicious to be claimed as “Organic and Naturally raised”:
It looks like a sponge which is a sure sign of starch presence in the meat. I used Iodine Test to show everyone that sausages from The Butchers contain a lot of starch. Iodine reacts with starch to produce purple black color or blue black color (depending on how much of starch is present in the product). I’ve written a letter “S” by Iodine on the cut of sausage and it turned purple black:
It means that there is a lot of starch in those sausages. Here is a comparison to understand the reaction. Potato contains starch and pear does not:
Iodine written “S” remained brown on a piece of pear. Iodine reacted with starch contained in potato and “Organic and Naturally raised” sausages from The Butchers.
Is the starch used by The Butchers organic and naturally raised? It could be. But it also could be a modified corn starch or even something less natural. I don’t know.
But sausages with significant amount of starch definitely do not worth $24/kg (or $10.99/lb)! It is like cheap prepacked sausages from the nearest supermarket.
Let’s try to cook them!
I have never seen good barbecue sausages exploding when cooking…
It is because of natural sausage casing which does not crack.
Sausages from The Butchers started to crack quite soon:
Then sausages exploded!
This definitely means that sausage casings are artificial and NOT natural.
Meantime Iodine almost evaporated from the pear without reaction, but left its footprint on the sausage made from starch:
After cooling sausages significantly shrinked:
Inflation of sausages in the oven, shrinking when cooled, excess water – all of these is a sure sign of carrageenan (E407 food additive) in the meat. It is used in the food industry to increase or even double the weight of meat. Carrageenan may cause allergic reactions for some people.
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Scented sausages with preservatives from The Butchers
(update as of April 11)
I left piece of UNCOOKED sausage out of the fridge at a room temperature for about two days.
It did not spoil at all! It has absolutely the same smell as it had two days ago. Natural meat should spoil in a warm place very quickly. However sausages from The Butchers kept their scent which is most likely artificial. Unfortunately I can’t post and share the smell here, but it is absolutely the same as two days ago. It definitely means that at least preservatives have been added to the meat being claimed by The Butchers as “Organic and Naturally raised”. It is a sure sign of artificial flavor added as well. Or has the meat been raised with antibiotics?
This is just one example of bad quality products from The Butchers. For other products and services I have not prepared a visual demonstration, but can add the following:
- Beef had almost the worst quality I have ever tried. It was sinewy and hard (cooked well as usual)
- Poor choice in the store on weekend at around noon
- No receipt provided!
It looks like a million dollars scam with current unfair support from WebPiggy who manipulates with comments on their discussion board by removing valuable truthful posts from the customers in order to conceal information about The Butchers and promote the scam.
Too many unnatural things are happening at The Butchers, don’t you think so?
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The “Last and Final” deal from The Butchers?!!
(April 12, 2011)
Unbelievable! Now on Buytopia with the “Final Deal“:
$99 for $400 Worth of Organically and Naturally Raised Meats from The Butchers – LAST DEAL FROM THE BUTCHERS
Is it really final? I hope this scam will end soon… Will anyone buy this deal from Buytopia.ca after all things happened with previous deals from The Butchers on other daily deal websites?
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Update: We have a report from one of the customers:
Where do The Butchers “Organic meats†come from?
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One more “Last Deal” at DealTicker
(April 15)
“The Butchers” deal on DealTicker with the same $99 for $400 deal. One more last deal?! Let me guess… Next one will be on…
$99 for $400 worth of Organic and Naturally Raised Meats and More from The Butchers (includes a $50 credit to use at soon to be launched Marlon’s Fish store) ($400 Value)
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Attention!
The Butchers website states that the deal on DealTicker is NOT valid!
However DealTicker still states the opposite and encouraging to buy more and more coupons:
What the heck is going on?! Just another promotion?
Here is the answer from DealTicker who sent an e-mail to subscribers very late:
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It has come to our attention that The Butchers are turning away customers and refusing to honour vouchers purchased through our site.
This action has been taken unilaterally by The Butchers without consultation with or prior warning to DealTicker.
As a result of this conduct, we are obliged to discontinue this deal. We are currently in consultations with our legal team and are considering all legal remedies available against The Butchers.
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We sincerely regret any inconvenience the actions of The Butchers may have caused.
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DealTicker was knowingly running the not valid deal for almost entire day looking for profit. Moreover, they solely blame The Butchers for this. This is the worst thing the daily deals company could do. They wanted to sell thousands of deals in five days making tens or hundreds thousand dollar profit regardless of all the negative experience about redeeming earlier coupons shared in the Internet by coupons holders. Unfortunately DealTicker let their users down.
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The article in The Globe and Mail
You may find the original article here:
Ninety-nine bucks for $400 worth of organic meat. Seriously?
written by Tim Kiladze for Saturday’s Globe and Mail.
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Several interesting things in the writing caught my attention and I’d like to comment on them:
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1. Looks like The Butchers is very short on cash now, so they asked daily deal companies for a quicker payment plan.
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2. Marlon Pather and The Butchers are going to run more deals (maybe later).
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3. The author and editors of The Globe and Mail are not aware that Chemistry is indeed science. Here is a definition from Wikipedia for those who still in doubts: “Chemistry is the science of matter and the changes it undergoes”.
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They also claimed:
Then there’s the marketing potential. “What people don’t realize is every customer that’s come into my store, they write their e-mail address,†Mr. Pather says
Has anyone been requested to write e-mail address in store?
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Siesta at The Butchers every weekday!
The company made it almost absolutely impossible to redeem the coupons for people. The Butchers is closed now from 11:30am until 1pm during weekdays and does not accept vouchers on weekends.
For most of the customers lunch time is the only possible time to visit the store during a working day.
This is one more very serious change to the voucher conditions by The Butchers. “Keeping our standards”…
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What’s next with The Butchers? Re-branding!
Marlin’s Fish Shop, Marlons Butchery, Marlon’s Meat
Even if The Butchers goes under there is a good plan. But maybe it is the plan itself… who knows…
@Gerrard B.:
Because he is making up excuses. I know for fact that he lied in answers in Postcity article and in the FAQ on The Butchers website as well.
http://www.thebutchersorganic.com/faqs.html
Why can’t you just let the man defend himself without saying it’s him making up excuses when in actuality, it’s him standing up for himself.
It was him explaining what happened.
@Gary:
Thanks for the link! Good report
@Gerrard B.:
Do you really believe that the post in Postcity is in Marlon’s defense? It was just a bunch of excuses.
@John Collins:
Unfortunately it is a scam. I’ve already explained why and provided facts. Thinking that it was “a deal that got out of hand” and ignoring all the facts which tell it was a scam is your own choice.
The Butchers is not going to accept any vouchers because it won’t bring any more cash if daily deal sites are not going to pay them.
The Butchers should be responsible for scam they’ve committed, not for “buytopia not issuing refunds”. Buytopia should be responsible for the latter.
Thanks,
Trueler
http://www.globaltoronto.com/video/index.html?releasePID=5fLVMMyZ1zTVgKpiWwQeEkZvTXA7x2aM
Just thought I could post this in more defense of Marlon
http://www.postcity.com/Eat-Shop-Do/Eat/June-2011/Marlon-Pather-responds-to-The-Butchers-extreme-couponing-debacle/
@Trueler, maybe because it’s not a scam? I honestly think it was a deal that got out of hand. Also I heard the Butchers isn’t going to accept any vouchers because of the whole mess, but can they really be held responsible for buytopia not issuing refunds? Just curious about that.
Always sue the most parties possible.
In this case it would be the voucher company, the butcher store and possibly Marlon himself if you think you can prove damages that came from him personally.
Hi Dale,
Try to contact your credit card company and tell that your product has not been delivered. The product is the coupon you can use. Nobody honor the coupon which Buytopia sent to you. So it’s just a piece of paper, actually several worthless kilobytes for hundreds bucks. I know that most banks refuse to do chargebacks against Buytopia, but nevertheless. You tell – “product not delivered” – they must respond.
Buytopia commits fraud now because The Butchers is not going to accept coupons anymore, and Buytopia is not going to issue any refunds. So, the money actually have been stolen…
Thanks,
Trueler
My coupons were through buytopia. They have not responded to email. When talking to them on the phone they refuse to give a discount. They state the vouchers are good for a year and they will not offer refunds until the year is up.
I would be very interested in a lawsuit against the Butcher shop but more important I believe the lawsuit needs to be against the seller of the coupon. They are who we made the contract with.
I spoke with Jonathon (sp) at Buytopia and he would not even provide his last name for my records. They are refusing to admit they are responsible as my contract (money paid) was to them.
I have contacted 680 news in the hope that they may pick up the story but I doubt if it is newsworthy enough for them.
Any ideas or suggestions?
I’m wondering why The Butchers, Webpiggy and Buytopia are not prosecuted for fraud yet?!
And now this:
http://www.moneyville.ca/article/1016344–roseman-butcher-sold-21-000-coupons-can-t-meet-demand?bn=1
Webpiggy and Marlon both blame customers for their problems….
Thanks Omar for link… It’s awful. How could they pass with such critical violations?! I think Marlon promised to fix it. But unfortunately inspectors do not know that Marlon’s promises are absolutely nothing…
That will turn your stomach
http://app.toronto.ca/food2/DineSafeMain?userRequest=view_history&ESTABLISHMENT_ID=9015608
I was in there a few days ago. They had a fair bit of meat but there was not one customer. Only the owner was in. I asked him about the coupons and he said that the deal is over and anyone that bought a coupon should go get a refund from the site that they bought it from immediately. He said the coupon companies are not paying him any more, and so he is not honouring they deal now or ever. I know their website says differently but this is right from the bossman himself.
Hey, Trueler,
Why waste your time to someone called Gerrard B.?
Everyone knows what is happening because these are our true experience. And comments submitted are awaiting moderation on every site, not just here. Ignor him.
Hey Gerrard B.,
I’m repeating for you one more time: Trueler does not filter comments. Even yours. There is a lot of spam going on – this is the reason for moderation. I think it’s fair enough. Final word is still yours.
BTW: It’s strange to hear concerns from you about fairness after providing so much crap in your previous comments.
Trueler
@ Trueler, obviously you do watch the comments otherwise they would post automatically. To say “Your comment is awaiting moderation” means that you’re validating our comments before their published, ultimatly giving you final word. How is that fair?
@MikeJefe – You’re just saying this because I am the only person who is defending the business. You’re against it, so I’m going to say you’re Prince Naharaja from Istanbul.
“Gerrard B” (here) = “BillySue” (on RFD) = “Yongeman” (on Chowhound) = shill/apologist for Marlon
I bought 10 of these coupons from Dealfinder a few months ago. I’ve used two coupons, but Dealfinder is refunding me for the rest. I just don’t have time to keep track of the store closures and the changing “rules” around coupon redemption. This makes me sad. Marlon and staff have always been pleasant, and I’ve been satisfied with the quality of their products in the past. But right now I feel used. Sorry, Marlon, but I can’t see myself visiting your seafood store either now. If this really was an honest mistake, then I wish you good luck.
Maybe I’ll go back to vegetarianism. :) There’s also an organic food vendor on Yonge just north of Lawrence that’s pretty good.
Also, props to dealfinder for agreeing to a quick refund.
I’ll follow up here on whether or not they come through as promised.
@Gerrard B.,
Promotion with 10-20 vouchers limit at 75% off for high demand products well advertised before the main deals was supposed to go out of control.
You are not right again. Trueler does not filter comments. Just be patient a bit to see your comments approved ;)
Thanks,
Trueler
OH! AND @Bernie Madoff, I went into The Butchers today around 6:30-7, redeemed my voucher (WITH NO PROBLEM) and look who was there, MARLON. So I guess everything is evening out, I asked him a couple questions and got answers so this is straight from him: He will close for renovations sometime in July. When he re-opens, he will still accept vouchers, BUT NO MORE WILL BE SOLD. After the last voucher is redeemed, THEY ARE DONE WITH. So all this petty drama bull crap will be done with and everything will go back to normal.
So I come on here frequently and I always notice that my comments (probably not just mine) are always awaiting moderation. Why is that? The point of making comments about something is to get our opinion out there ASAP. How can we trust a site that filters our comments and only selects the ones in which either agrees with their topic or will prove for a worthy battle… I don’t think it’s right and some things need to change.
@Bernie Madoff, IT’S NOT A F**CKING PYRAMID SCHEME. It was a promotion that got out of control. EVERYONE (or mostly at least) on this site are a bunch of knobs. It was a simple promotion that got out of hand, then the person who runs trueler for whatever reason decided to spread nothing but LIES about a small business.
As for the people who think I am Marlon/someone who works for the butchers.. It’s only because I am a loyal customer to them and are defending them, if you look around the internet at all the slam sites you’ll find a hell of a lot more people defending them. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WORK FOR THE SITE. ALSO, back to Bernie Madoff, Marlons last name is not Madoff, so stfu. Also, you might want to look into getting on meds. A lot of you should.
HA HA HA
THE PYRAMID SCHEME HAS COME TO AN END!
GERARD B AKA MARLON MADOFF WILL NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN – HE IS GONE BACK TO TRINIDAD.
HA HA HA
GOOD JOB SHILL PUMPERS – YOU HAVE MADE FREE EASY MONEY.
Gerard – Marlon Madoff is my son, I am Bernie.
You may have heard of me.
Ha Ha Ha – You poor pathetic sheep – your money is gone!!!
We all told you so.
Stupid Buytopia is a fraud. They are going to be sued (I heard!!)
Oh you stupid sheep – the shillers, and butcher-pumpers have disappeared!!
Cry all you want!
Gerard and Buytopia and Marlon and Webpiggy and DealTicker are GONE just like your MOney.
Gone to Money Heaven!!!
Thanks Mark for information. It’s expected. Taking into account previous behavior of The Butchers, it may be treated as “out of business”. Just get a refund from deal companies and forget. It’s obvious now that they are not going to pay any more to The Butchers, and Marlon decided to close the shop.
Regarding their “mistake”… I think if The Butchers really admitted their mistake and tried to fix it, they would definitely:
– NOT sell low quality meat from from the chain of resellers
– NOT sell cheap meat as organic and naturally raised
– NOT be adding starch fillers to their sausages
– NOT inflate their meat with water
– NOT abuse customers
– NOT discriminate voucher holders from regular customers
– NOT lie to the customers
– etc, etc, etc, …
And one simple thing which obviously shows that it was a plan, not a mistake:
There was 10-20 voucher limit per customer when buying deals with a huge discount.
It’s not a way of marketing, it’s a way of very effective cash-raising.
Thanks,
Trueler
An important Message from The Butchers
Dear Valued Customers,
We would like to take a second to thank everyone who has shown great interest in our establishment by purchasing online vouchers. It has been a very busy past few months at The Butchers and we would like everyone to know that we are doing our absolute best to keep up with the demand. As you may or may not know, we have run multiple promotions with various websites over the past few months offering some great discounts in order to get people to come in and experience our shop.
So why in the world did we run these promotions?
Here at The Butchers, we honestly believe in the quality of our products and service so much that we thought people would fall in love with our meat once they have tasted the difference. We thought about spending money on billboards and other types of marketing but it costs so much money and still does not guarantee that people will come in and try our food. Therefore, instead of spending money on advertising, we decided to pass on the savings to everyone who wanted to come in and actually try our food. Because we believe in our business so much, we offered an incredible deal so that people would come in and get to know us. However, these online vouchers are a completely new form of marketing that we did not know how to use properly and it got us into a bit of uncharted territory. We want everyone to know that we honestly made a mistake by not running these promotions properly but we also want you to know that we are doing our absolute best to make up for this misjudgement. We were just really confident about our establishment and we wanted people to get to know us. When judging the number of vouchers that we could sell and handle, we went for big numbers since if you sell 1,000 vouchers that works out to about 3 new customers per day. Unfortunately, it has been hard for us to judge how much meat to bring in since it is a perishable product and we never know how many people are going to be coming in on a particular day to redeem their vouchers. Also, we thought that people would come in and use a bit of their vouchers over the course of the year versus coming in and redeeming the full amount all in one go. I’m sure it is not hard to imagine how quickly we can go through a refrigerator case full of meat when you have 30 people redeeming their entire voucher all at once.
So what can we do to make things run smoother for everyone?
In our current situation, we are having a hard time supplying our new valued customers with the selection and availability that we strive to provide. Currently, we do not have enough refrigeration units and meat display cases to meet the supply needs of our customers.
So what can we do about it?
We can either keep running the shop the way it has been going over the past few months and keep running into supply and demand issues or we can do something to actually fix the situation. We have considered a variety of options and have decided that we need to fix the layout of the store by increasing the number of refrigeration units to accommodate and properly supply our customers. It’s a tough decision to make to renovate the shop because we will have to close down for a few weeks in order to make the necessary changes so that everything runs much smoother in the future for our customers. Hopefully, people will appreciate that we are trying our best to fix this current situation and make sure that people can properly experience our establishment and leave with a smile.
Until renovations are complete we can no longer honour vouchers. However please rest assured that once we open after renovations we will honour your vouchers. Please check back regularily for updates on when the store will open again.
Finally, we want people to know that we did not make any money off of running these promotions. In fact, we lost a lot of money on each voucher that we sold but we chalked it up as a marketing expense and an initiative to get people to taste the difference between us and non-conventional meat. While we have seen many repeat customers from our promotions, we want everyone to know that we love “meating” new people every day and we are just a team of good people that made a mistake while using a new form of marketing. It was our fault that we’re in the situation that we are in but we just want all of our customers to know that we are doing absolutely everything possible to make the best of the situation. Thank you very much to everyone for your support and understanding on this matter and we look forward to showing you the quality and service that we’ve built our business on over the last ten years.
Best Regards,
The Butchers Team
@Gerrard B.:
1) You don’t stay behind what you are saying at all. You say “A”. Then you read replies that “A” is not correct due to known facts or obvious conclusions. And you say “B” ignoring those replies. You are just a teller providing incorrect information and defending scammers.
2) I hope that there will be practically no one there at The Butchers when/if they re-open, because there is absolutely no reason to go there – just wasting time and money.
Thanks,
Trueler
“Gerrard B” = Yongeman?
The refrigeration problems only apply to voucher holders! LOL
The refrigerator worked perfectly for everybody else!
@Jake, why don’t you check your facts, everytime I go to the store, or walk past it around 7-8pm, there’s practically no one there, or they’re closed because it’s slow and they’d be wasting their time to stay open. And you know what. WHEN they do re-open, I will stand there for an hour and count how many people come in, why don’t you join me and I can prove you wrong. They are only extremely busy during the day.
From the RFD board it seems as though the store was open on the weekend – didn’t they have refrigeration problems or are these problems just for voucher holders ?
Hey, Gerrard B. “they close during refeeming hours sometimes” ? lol.. go and check your facts! “Sometimes”??
“not a lot of people coming in at 8pm” ??
Again, go and stand beside the store when they are open at 8 and see if there’s not a lot of people.
Dude, get your facts straight. When and if they do re-open again, go and stand beside the store for 10 min and then comment.
I bought a voucher online and went to The Butchers on Thursday to try and redeem them, but there were too many “Regular” customers and they had sold out. I’m pretty upset about not being able to use my voucher, but I was told they’re valid for upto a year, so it’s no skin off my nose. But after reading the negative comments, I have to disagree, if they sell out, they have to be doing something right, right?
They have a ton of repeat customers and regular customers who have been going there since the day it opened and do not buy their meat anywhere else. Obviously they are honest and trusted. The only REAL problem with The Butchers is people like you.
@Gerrard B.,
Do not judge people based on your own perverted understanding of ethics and responsibility!
I’m sure that any honest and trusted merchant/person would definitely work during promised hours. Marlon/The Butchers is not honest and trusted. You too since you are suggesting such a thing…
First of all, I am not pretending to be anyone. Secondly, yea I know they close during redeeming hours sometimes, but if it’s 8pm and not a lot of people are coming in, what would you do? Stay open? No, you’d close and not waste your time.
Gary,
I’d have to agree with you on this one. ‘Gerrard B’…. LOL.
Nice try Gerrard or is it: (‘Jessica white’ / ‘brian O’reilly’, ‘leyla’ or Marlon?).
Marlon is done, thank god I got my refund a month ago from Webpiggy. It wasn’t easy though, but they did refund me in full for the 3 vouchers I purchased.
Reading all this makes me sick to my stomach, simply unbelievable how all the voucher holders are getting this kind of treatment. With each passing day it is harder and harder to redeem the vouchers.
I think it’s almost time to put The Butcher under Trulers ‘Business Closed’ thread.
From the Butchers website:
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We are still experiencing issues with out refridgerator compressor and due to this are unable to properly refridgerate the quantity of meat required for voucher holders. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope to rectify this soon.
The store will reopen again to voucher holders on Thursday June 23rd.
Please note we have changed our voucher redemption hours. These hours are effective beginning Thursday June 23rd.
New Voucher Redemption Hours – Effective Thursday June 23rd
Thurs-Fri: 6:30pm-9:30pm
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So the refridgerator works for some quantity of meat but not a large quantity. That is bizarre. Also, do they only have one refridgerator ?
I think we all know who Gerrard B is.
The Butchers changed the voucher redemption hours again. The earliest date will be June 23.
Gerrard B.
You are right no one would like to go get meat at 8:30pm but do we have choice? We only allow to redeem from 6:30 to 9:30pm Thur and Fri. Therefore I have no choice but go at 8:15pm on Friday June 3 but they already closed. So what is your suggestion?
Hey Gerrard B.,
“unreasonable to think they’d be open” ?! Do you understand what you are saying? The Butchers claims on the website that the store is open for coupon holders 6:30 – 9:30 for two days per week. You said the same several times. It is only 6 hours per week.
But The Butchers even does not honor their own rules which they are changing almost every day totally ignoring and abusing customers. Quality dropped many times.
The only way to redeem the coupons is to get a refund from deal companies, there is no way to redeem for what was promised. But it’s hard to get a refund also. Sometimes impossible.
They are not trusted at all now. They’ve sold thousands of coupons and some voucher holders are still not aware about awful service and quality at The Butchers, or some people still want to waste time. It’s the reason of long lines.
The Butchers mostly get their meat from a chain with unknown origins, not a farm. Read another post for more information.
I don’t have a need to place my personal information everywhere. It will not change the facts in the articles. There are no shadows at all. I’m replying to questions in comments. If any business think that something is wrong in the article about them, they are welcome to explain what really happened as they think. If it is reasonable, necessary corrections will be quickly made.
Thanks,
Trueler
Looks like you’re not posting my last comment, what’s wrong? Give up?
Check out the website – says the store has had to close (June 10) because of “refrigeration problems”. I’m betting they don’t open again.
S Adams
I’m not sure why it was closed last Friday, but I’m sure it was a valid reason, and not just “some excuse”.
They try to stay open as late as possible, but really? 8:30pm who’s going to be shopping for meat at that time, seems a bit unreasonable to think they’d be open.
Having a long line up with long wait just shows how popular and trusted they are, again, no complaints.
They will be closed due to renovations, when I went in last week there was a contractor there taking measurements to expand the freezer.
Lastly, they try to keep a stock of everything for people who make orders and those who come in looking for it. But I think we all know it’s impossible to please everyone.
Also, I know where the butchers get their meat from, it’s a farm, not a chain.
You must have a lot of time on your hands to be putting up such a fuss about all this, but in the end it’s pretty pathetic because you have to hide behind a website. Why don’t you reveal who you truly are and come out from behind the shadows?